{NX} Does God Really Put People In Hell?

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First posted at http://www.lfnexus.com/doesgodreallyputpeopleinhell.htm in 2008 and, here, slightly edited from the 2008 version.

Note: This article is written in the language of our culture, not the language of the King James Bible, though, of course, the language of the King James Bible is a sublime language. In our time and culture, the idea of “people” has been “virtue-ized”; that is, people are seen by most other people as essentially good. For this reason, we must answer the question of whether God really puts people in hell in a very special way.

Does God really put people in hell? We will answer this question in two parts:

First, we will address whether people are put in hell. The answer is:

No, but there are monsters that “fall”‡ into hell and these monsters are people.

Second, we will address whether God chooses to allow the monsters to fallinto hell. The answer is:

No, God does not choose to allow the monsters to “fall”‡ into hell but the monsters know that, if God does not give them “saving faith,”† they will “fall”‡ into hell.

To whom does God always give saving faith? Any monster who asks him for this faith.

†What is saving faith? Saving faith is believing the following message:

A person will experience life in heaven after death because God has promised that they will. The reason for his promise is that they have been rescued from the punishment of their sins. The means of their rescue was the suffering of the punishment by the Lord Jesus Christ in their place.


There are many who have deluded themselves into thinking they are not monsters.

Now, you may object to the idea that you are a monster but, if so, this may be because you are a baby monster and:

Babies always look harmless, even baby monsters, but baby monsters are still monsters.

Finally, to remove any doubt:

Yes, we are all born monsters.  However, we don’t become accountable until we attain a certain level of human maturity.  For most people, this happens when they are a child but some people can take longer.  To be clear, a person who has not become accountable has nothing to fear.


‡The word “fall” in quotes refers to “the effect of the virtually automatic use of the power of God by God in accordance with the predetermined rule of God.” It is, in effect, not actually, the effect of the action of “divine habit.” This action of virtual divine habit is triggered by the choice of the monsters and without prejudice or bias whatsoever, with absolute impartiality, on the part of God. God’s heart breaks every time a monster “falls” into hell. For our super technical friends, we realize that, currently, hell is actually hades (the punishment is the same). Note that nothing we have said here diminishes one iota the power and authority of God.

{NX} Reason For Suffering

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For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.
– Lamentations 3:33

The Bible states that God does not afflict willingly. That is, he does not afflict because he wants to. In other words, there are one or more reasons why God must allow affliction.

Now, some might say that since God is God he can overrule any reason for allowing suffering and therefore prevent all suffering. This notion of overruling of reason for suffering demonstrates a partial ignorance of the nature of God. While God is greater than all things he is not greater than himself. The Bible states:

…he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
– 2 Timothy 2:13

Note the words “he cannot deny himself.” God is not greater than himself. Now, we didn’t need a Bible verse to know that God is not greater than himself. Common sense tells you that no thing is greater than itself. For example, a duck is not greater than itself. A duck can only do what a duck can do. And a man is not greater than himself. A man can only do what a man can do.

Now, some might say that God has no free will if he is not greater than himself. That is foolish. A man has free will yet he cannot operate beyond the limits of his knowledge, ability, and self-imposed intention. Of course, there are no limits to God’s knowledge, ability, and self-imposed intention.

We could address a host of other concerns. We will address one more.

Some might say that if God is subject to his own self-imposed intention doesn’t that mean that God’s self-imposed intention is greater than God and that therefore, since nothing is greater than God, that God cannot be God.

However, God is not a man. His being is multidimensional. One dimension of his being can have a self-imposed intention while another dimension of his being retains the ability to end that self-imposed intention. Since God is God the power dimension of God dominates the dimension of self-imposed intention. There is much, much more we can say on this subject but we believe this is enough for now at least.

The Rationality of Human Suffering

“Is it necessarily rational to be angry with someone who causes human suffering?  No.  Why not?  Would you be angry with a being that sent paralyzing pain to someone who was about to kill a loved one?  No.  This reveals the real cause of our anger – a belief relating to human suffering, not human suffering itself.  The belief is that the human suffering is irrational and/or indicative of some other causal shortcoming.  Now, such beliefs are ultimately matters of judgment, not science.  Thus, the validity of such beliefs depends on whether the ‘judge,’ the one making the judgment, has a sound faculty to make judgments.  That, in turn, is established by a long track record of sound judgments.”
– Dr. Michael Bisconti

Pain Per Se (In Itself) Is Irrelevant

“People do not get angry over (or experience other emotion because of) pain, though they may believe that is the case.  People only get angry over idea related to pain.  For example, people may get angry over the idea that pain is unjust or they may get angry over the idea that pain is cruel or they may get angry over the idea that pain is too severe.  So, there is not, was not, and cannot be anger over human suffering per se (in itself).  However, the mind may, in effect (not actually), merge idea and perception so that it seems that the pain itself is the cause of the anger.  Proof of the independence of anger (and other emotion) from pain is found in the experiences, utterances, and writings of masochists, who enjoy their suffering.  Additional proof of the independence of anger (and other emotion) from pain is found in the experiences of military personnel, who endure hardships in preparation for military service.  Also, there are the hardships of athletic training endured by athletes.  These facts destroy the sometimes seemingly irrefutable ‘arguments of suffering’ proffered by atheists.  Finally, if a person is suffering severely, they are not seeking to express some motivation (emotion) to prove God is a monster; rather, they are seeking relief from their pain.”
– Dr. Michael Bisconti

God and Pain

“Technically, if God sent pain for no reason, that would not disprove his existence.  It would simply prove that God was a cruel God and/or, in one or more other ways, deficient.”
– Dr. Michael Bisconti

God, Suffering, Seeming Arbitrariness (Seeming Randomness), Guiding Principle, and A Good God

“The answer to the question of God and suffering may appear to be arbitrary (random) but there is a guiding principle behind all of it – what must be true for God to be a good God and still be a God who sends suffering.”
– Dr. Michael Bisconti

Belief, God, Existence, and Suffering

“How can you believe in the existence of a God who sends suffering?  Click on page 2 below for the answer.”